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Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« on: December 01, 2020, 02:46:33 am »
Rhys Hoskins, Spencer Howard & Adam Haisley... What do you think? do both teams do it the rays have said he is available & a team friendly contract

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Re: Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2020, 09:30:44 am »
Rhys Hoskins, Spencer Howard & Adam Haisley... What do you think? do both teams do it the rays have said he is available & a team friendly contract

This is one is tough.  A proven youngish lefty would really compliment Nola and Wheeler well and give us a rotation that should carry any team to a winning record.

Rhys I'm guessing is due for big money soon, and Howard at this point is probably not gonna be back to full form till 2022. 

I do it but with reservation. 


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Re: Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2020, 10:30:25 am »
Rhys Hoskins, Spencer Howard & Adam Haisley... What do you think? do both teams do it the rays have said he is available & a team friendly contract

I don't think Klentak would be able to make that trade without throwing in Aaron Nola.

Also, I know Klentak is supposedly gone, but he actually isn't gone. Until I know for sure that a real gm is making our trades...I'm not making trades.

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Re: Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2020, 11:36:35 am »
Rhys Hoskins, Spencer Howard & Adam Haisley... What do you think? do both teams do it the rays have said he is available & a team friendly contract

i dont think tampa does this and dont think at the moment, it would be close. Howard's shoulder issues would stop this from happening i think. Haisley looks to be a 4th outfielder. Howard needs to prove he is healthy and then he would have some value.

with that said, the phillies desperately need cost effective players and trading someone like howard, goes against that. were in all likelihood looking at a cut in payroll, possibly a drastic one. adding another starter, while extremely fair contract, ties their hands even further on adding anyone to this team of real value. howard, hoskins, bohm, kingery are the keys to any success this team had given what it seems they will be doing with payroll.

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Re: Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2020, 11:47:06 pm »
i dont think tampa does this and dont think at the moment, it would be close. Howard's shoulder issues would stop this from happening i think. Haisley looks to be a 4th outfielder. Howard needs to prove he is healthy and then he would have some value.

with that said, the phillies desperately need cost effective players and trading someone like howard, goes against that. were in all likelihood looking at a cut in payroll, possibly a drastic one. adding another starter, while extremely fair contract, ties their hands even further on adding anyone to this team of real value. howard, hoskins, bohm, kingery are the keys to any success this team had given what it seems they will be doing with payroll.

One of the Jack's best posts. Middleton should sell the team, because he's crying poor when a team like the Blue Jays who probably could cry poor, want Segura. I won't be shocked if Middleton starts suggesting a Bryce Harper trade. I know for a fact, Joe Girardi didn't sign up for this crap.  Middleton is proving to be a CHEAP billionaire that is a fraud. He bought Harper, because he believed it made him money. He doesn't believe Realmuto makes him money for the amount JT wants. Expect to keep the cheap players like MikeJack said, unless we get a real gm that explains to Middleton, that winning needs proper spending of funds, but spending indeed. Not cheaping out.

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Re: Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2020, 08:57:34 pm »
Tampa is trying to cut salary and Blake makes less than Nola , so maybe if you add another prospect ( not Stott or Abel) it might get done. blake makes
 11 mil in 2021, 13 mil in 2022, & 16 mil in 2023 and yes they have him up for trade 

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Re: Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2020, 09:04:04 pm »
Tampa is trying to cut salary and Blake makes less than Nola , so maybe if you add another prospect ( not Stott or Abel) it might get done. blake makes
 11 mil in 2021, 13 mil in 2022, & 16 mil in 2023 and yes they have him up for trade



Blake could step in as the ace of the staff. But would he cost too much? What the Phils should do is offer money along with the players they trade for him if they are serious. Yes, it would cost money but money now is cheaper than money saved later.

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Re: Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2020, 09:10:01 pm »
Tampa is trying to cut salary

so are the phillies.

they have 12 players signed and are only 68 miillion short of the luxury tax. they need to fill out 14 spots on the roster. dombrowski said they wont spend what they did last year, so id think, at best, you have 45 million to spend with multiple holes to fill.

on top of that, their minor league system is extremely weak, they dont have the pieces and the pieces they do have, they desperately need to be cost effective solutions for the current roster.

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Re: Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2020, 12:51:02 pm »
on top of that, their minor league system is extremely weak

I don't buy that.  Since 2015 our farm has produced Nola, Sanchez, Hoskins and Bohm.  Two guys who've already made an All Star team and two more highly likely to make it soon.

The "rankings" are worth used toilet paper.  Our farm was ranked high right after our 2008 title and didn't produce squat for nearly a decade.

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Re: Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2020, 02:48:37 pm »
I don't buy that.  Since 2015 our farm has produced Nola, Sanchez, Hoskins and Bohm.  Two guys who've already made an All Star team and two more highly likely to make it soon.

The "rankings" are worth used toilet paper.  Our farm was ranked high right after our 2008 title and didn't produce squat for nearly a decade.

buy whatever you want, they dont have valuable pieces to make deals with.

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Re: Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2020, 02:55:34 pm »
buy whatever you want, they dont have valuable pieces to make deals with.

What fans/pundits think and what actual baseball execs think are two different things, in different worlds quite frankly.

Klentak lacked that "finishing touch" needed properly fill out an MLB roster, but under his watch the farm has actually produced some solid talent, and I suspect will produce a good bit more when all is said and done.

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Re: Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2020, 02:59:03 pm »
buy whatever you want, they dont have valuable pieces to make deals with.



Yes they have some value in a Howard and a Stott among others but how much is that value worth in trades remains to be seen. We traded away a Sanchez already. Not many of them around. And most teams do not want to trade away their top prospects either. So that raises the value on a Howard, when healthy more because other top prospects would be off of the trade market.

I do agree that we don't have a top 10 prospect to trade and if we are to make a trade we will either have to include money or a player already in the bigs or two or multiple prospects to get a big fish in a deal. Unless a team is cash poor and is willing to take a loss in terms of value.

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Re: Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2020, 03:00:36 pm »


Yes they have some value in a Howard and a Stott among others but how much is that value worth in trades remains to be seen. We traded away a Sanchez already. Not many of them around. And most teams do not want to trade away their top prospects either. So that raises the value on a Howard, when healthy more because other top prospects would be off of the trade market.

I do agree that we don't have a top 10 prospect to trade and if we are to make a trade we will either have to include money or a player already in the bigs or two or multiple prospects to get a big fish in a deal. Unless a team is cash poor and is willing to take a loss in terms of value.

the phillies are claiming to be cash poor though.

and howard needs to establish health before he regains value.

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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2020, 03:11:14 pm »
the phillies are claiming to be cash poor though.

and howard needs to establish health before he regains value.

I agree with both of your statements. But only on paper. Middleton can and will spend for the right scenario. Likely not at the start of a season. And he did not lose all the money from the Phillies organization last year as he claimed either, in my opinion because I'm quite sure he will write most of that and more so off when he does his taxes. And after that his purse strings could open more.

Howard is already worth an X amount among other teams and that value could have went down some after his call up or remained about the same. I have no idea what other teams think about him but many teams have scouts far more knowledgeable than our scouts about what a player is capable of doing and what they lack to be better and they understand value better in my opinion.

I'm not disagreeing with you though about Middleton playing the el cheapo act right now. But what I am not convinced on yet is if he is just playing to dupe the competition and agents or if he is serious? I hope it's the former.

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Re: Blake Snell to Phillies for?
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2020, 03:14:36 pm »
I agree with both of your statements. But only on paper. Middleton can and will spend for the right scenario. Likely not at the start of a season. And he did not lose all the money from the Phillies organization last year as he claimed either, in my opinion because I'm quite sure he will write most of that and more so off when he does his taxes. And after that his purse strings could open more.

Howard is already worth an X amount among other teams and that value could have went down some after his call up or remained about the same. I have no idea what other teams think about him but many teams have scouts far more knowledgeable than our scouts about what a player is capable of doing and what they lack to be better and they understand value better in my opinion.

I'm not disagreeing with you though about Middleton playing the el cheapo act right now. But what I am not convinced on yet is if he is just playing to dupe the competition and agents or if he is serious? I hope it's the former.

their laying people off/firing employees....they arent duping for free agents.

is it possible they didnt lose what they claimed? yes, but they wouldnt be making the cuts to real people to do that.