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bullpen saved
« on: December 18, 2020, 07:54:25 am »
neftali feliz is coming to town. former rookie of the year, recently- hasnt' thrown a pitch in mlb since 2017. ultimate dumpster dive

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Re: bullpen saved
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2020, 08:06:32 am »
neftali feliz is coming to town. former rookie of the year, recently- hasnt' thrown a pitch in mlb since 2017. ultimate dumpster dive

he would have been the 7th inning guy last year...were saved!!!

rafael betancourt signed as well!!!

its getting colder outside, but that stove is heating up! 

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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2020, 10:36:07 am »
he would have been the 7th inning guy last year...were saved!!!

rafael betancourt signed as well!!!

its getting colder outside, but that stove is heating up!

All we needed from our pen to make the playoffs was "not all time worse"

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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2020, 11:11:44 am »
All we needed from our pen to make the playoffs was "not all time worse"

And they couldn't do it in a year over half the league got into the playoffs with a team in 2021 that will have less resources available.

But tell us again how many of the 8 at bats you saw of marchan's that you think his bat can hang at the major league level or how many of the 23 innings you saw catch that you declared his defense was better then realmuto's.

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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2020, 12:14:34 pm »
And they couldn't do it in a year over half the league got into the playoffs with a team in 2021 that will have less resources available.

But tell us again how many of the 8 at bats you saw of marchan's that you think his bat can hang at the major league level or how many of the 23 innings you saw catch that you declared his defense was better then realmuto's.

When I talk about being a playoff team if not for our all time bad bullpen, I mean even within the context of a normal season.

In 60 games we were a minus 5 in run differential.  Our BP gave up around 140 runs in those 60 games. 

If our BP had even an ERA of 5, which is objectively bad, the above number would have been 93 runs instead of 140, which would have put our run differential during the season at a +42.

Prorated over a 162 game season, that's a differential of +113.  It's next to impossible to miss the playoffs with that kind of run differential.

Please don't question your intellectual superiors, son.

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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2020, 12:17:14 pm »
When I talk about being a playoff team if not for our all time bad bullpen, I mean even within the context of a normal season.

In 60 games we were a minus 5 in run differential.  Our BP gave up around 140 runs in those 60 games. 

If our BP had even an ERA of 5, which is objectively bad, the above number would have been 93 runs instead of 140, which would have put our run differential during the season at a +42.

Prorated over a 162 game season, that's a differential of +113.  It's next to impossible to miss the playoffs with that kind of run differential.

Please don't question your intellectual superiors, son.

None of that changes anything I've said...I also notice you've avoided the question on marchan for a 3rd time. It was your claim, how much did you see him play?

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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2020, 12:30:54 pm »
It was your claim, how much did you see him play?

I saw every game he played.

His arm looked noticeably stronger than JT's, and his time to throw a good bit quicker.

I can't speak to how good he frames pitches or calls games.  But even if he's behind on JT on those fronts, that's something that he'll get better at over time.

As far the bat, I saw a guy that didn't look one bit confused by what he was being thrown at him.  Which was eye opening given how young and inexperienced he was.

His big weakness as a hitter in the minors had been his lack of power, which makes all the sense in the world given that he just turned 21 this year.

Given what he brings on defense, and his apparent IQ as a hitter, I wouldn't panic at the thought of him playing next season.  Obviously it's less than ideal, but paying JT 20+ million a year when history suggests that his best years are behind him seems foolish.  We made our bet that we'd make the playoffs with JT in 2019 and 2020 and the bet didn't pan out.

We need to cut our losses and just take the comp pick.

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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2020, 12:37:21 pm »
I saw every game he played.

His arm looked noticeably stronger than JT's, and his time to throw a good bit quicker.

I can't speak to how good he frames pitches or calls games.  But even if he's behind on JT on those fronts, that's something that he'll get better at over time.

As far the bat, I saw a guy that didn't look one bit confused by what he was being thrown at him.  Which was eye opening given how young and inexperienced he was.

His big weakness as a hitter in the minors had been his lack of power, which makes all the sense in the world given that he just turned 21 this year.

Given what he brings on defense, and his apparent IQ as a hitter, I wouldn't panic at the thought of him playing next season.  Obviously it's less than ideal, but paying JT 20+ million a year when history suggests that his best years are behind him seems foolish.  We made our bet that we'd make the playoffs with JT in 2019 and 2020 and the bet didn't pan out.

We need to cut our losses and just take the comp pick.

So you noticed he had a better arm on the 1 stolen base he allowed?

You statements that he can hang with the bat at the major league level and he's better the realmuto defensively have nothing to do if it's wise to pay realmuto 20 million dollars.

There is nothing to suggest he's better then realmuto defensively right now or that his bat can hang right now, nothing.

I find it hard to believe you watched all 3 of his games too, but you don't have a track record of honesty either.


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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2020, 01:00:07 pm »
So you noticed he had a better arm on the 1 stolen base he allowed?

You statements that he can hang with the bat at the major league level and he's better the realmuto defensively have nothing to do if it's wise to pay realmuto 20 million dollars.

There is nothing to suggest he's better then realmuto defensively right now or that his bat can hang right now, nothing.

I find it hard to believe you watched all 3 of his games too, but you don't have a track record of honesty either.

lol!

You're not even smarter than the average person, and I'm much smarter than that.

And you'd be gone from these forums forever if anyone put your personal information on here. 

Candyland was created cause of a bunch of overconfident half wits thought they could best me in my analysis.  Keep the baseless arrogance over there where it belongs.

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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2020, 01:32:36 pm »
lol!

You're not even smarter than the average person, and I'm much smarter than that.

And you'd be gone from these forums forever if anyone put your personal information on here. 

Candyland was created cause of a bunch of overconfident half wits thought they could best me in my analysis.  Keep the baseless arrogance over there where it belongs.

Like I said, you're full of it. You didn't see his arm, you have no idea about his bat or his defense. I don't know why you insist on making up stories.

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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2020, 01:40:31 pm »
The 3rd and final game he caught was the same time as the eagles rams game....

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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2020, 01:42:20 pm »
Like I said, you're full of it. You didn't see his arm, you have no idea about his bat or his defense. I don't know why you insist on making up stories.

I destroyed your first idiotic point with logic that even a hard headed moron like yourself couldn't attempt to refute.

As I said, you're dim even by average people standards.  There's a world of things smarter people see that you can't.  Sorry, but God's not a communist.

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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2020, 01:44:47 pm »
I destroyed your first idiotic point with logic that even a hard headed moron like yourself couldn't attempt to refute.

As I said, you're dim even by average people standards.  There's a world of things smarter people see that you can't.  Sorry, but God's not a communist.

Which point did you destroy? That they weren't good enough to make the playoffs in a year over half the league got in and they are set to have less resources in 2021?

You lie. Why?

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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2020, 01:46:10 pm »
The 3rd and final game he caught was the same time as the eagles rams game....

I rarely watch baseball games live.  And back when I worked at my office I rarely watched NBA games live either.

Nice try though.  Austistic fact checking is the best someone like you can ever hope to bring into a debate.

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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2020, 01:47:44 pm »
I rarely watch baseball games live.  And back when I worked at my office I rarely watched NBA games live either.

Nice try though.  Austistic fact checking is the best someone like you can ever hope to bring into a debate.

You expect people to believe you dvrd a Phillies game from September 20th last year and watched it? Was there a time anyone bought your bs? I'd that why they are obsessed with you, they think you are telling the truth?