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Phillyterp85

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Re: Eagles/Bucs Thread
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2024, 12:02:07 pm »
Fred Johnson gave up 5 pressures last week and pressures this week.

Stoutland is slipping if it was his idea to start Johnson.

How many of those pressures were due to Jalen holding the ball forever and a day?

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« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2024, 03:41:05 pm »
How many of those pressures were due to Jalen holding the ball forever and a day?

Johnson was not ready to start at RT, after spending years practicing at LT.

We couldn't keep 10 lineman activated which is why Johnson stepped in for Lane when he got hurt.

But starting him against Tampa was a predictable error, and exposes Stoutland one flaw, his personal loyalty to players.  We saw it with Peters and we're seeing it again here.

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Re: Eagles/Bucs Thread
« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2024, 04:08:09 pm »
Johnson was not ready to start at RT, after spending years practicing at LT.

We couldn't keep 10 lineman activated which is why Johnson stepped in for Lane when he got hurt.

But starting him against Tampa was a predictable error, and exposes Stoutland one flaw, his personal loyalty to players.  We saw it with Peters and we're seeing it again here.

Who should have started in Johnson's place?

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« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2024, 04:15:18 pm »
apparently they thought and lane thought he was starting up until sun am when 2 independent docs wouldn't let him play (after placing large bets on tampa)
kruk thinks darian kinnard should have started- kinnard is in his 3rd year and has yet to take a single offensive snap....

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« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2024, 04:16:10 pm »
Who should have started in Johnson's place?

Kinnard or Steen.

We have other options inside besides Steen.

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« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2024, 04:19:28 pm »
Kinnard or Steen.

We have other options inside besides Steen.

And what are you basing Kinnard starting on?  Dude hasn't even played a snap in the NFL. And the Chiefs thought so much of him that they cut him just 1 year after they drafted him in the 5th round...

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Re: Eagles/Bucs Thread
« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2024, 05:57:38 pm »
Kinnard or Steen.

We have other options inside besides Steen.

Wouldn't have mattered.  Hurts is deer/headlights, and Moore has not shown an ability to establish a consistent rhythm

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« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2024, 06:07:11 pm »
Wouldn't have mattered.  Hurts is deer/headlights, and Moore has not shown an ability to establish a consistent rhythm

With Hurts, you have to remember that he's only had the same offensive coordinator in back to back years once since high school.

And that was in 2022, when he was an @ss hair away from being both the MVP and Superbowl champion.

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« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2024, 06:13:11 pm »
Some of that is his fault. Play like a clown and they are forced to bring someone else in to try and get that red nose off ya

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Re: Eagles/Bucs Thread
« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2024, 06:27:16 pm »
With Hurts, you have to remember that he's only had the same offensive coordinator in back to back years once since high school.

And that was in 2022, when he was an @ss hair away from being both the MVP and Superbowl champion.

Offensive coordinator’s don’t teach you that just because you elude a defender he still is playing. Hurts fumbled twice due to horrible situational awareness the last 2 games. His accuracy has been poor, and he rarely throws to his 2nd or 3rd read.

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Re: Eagles/Bucs Thread
« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2024, 07:30:48 pm »
With Hurts, you have to remember that he's only had the same offensive coordinator in back to back years once since high school.

And that was in 2022, when he was an @ss hair away from being both the MVP and Superbowl champion.

Hurts played fantastic in 2022. Since then the league has made adjustments to him and he hasn’t had an answer for them. 

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« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2024, 09:11:43 pm »
The Eagles can have a competitive offense when Brown and Smith return.   If, the OC realizes that he can't have a pass-centric game plan with Hurts as QB.   Hurts just isn't good enough.   Run the offense thru Barkley first and then pass.   Hurts can be a game manager but not more.   We've played 4 games and he's been the second best QB on the field each game. 

That being said the defense is just not good enough.   Roseman blew top draft choices on the GA folks and it hasn't worked out.   They were great playing against kids in college but playing against the men in the NFL, not so good.  Fangio's defense is predicated on a 4 man rush getting pressure.  The Eagles don't have that so its going to be a long season.

The coaching has been poor.   Poor discipline and poor execution.   Poor game planning.   Sirianni looks lost.

And Roseman deserves to be roasted.  Aside from the debacle with the GA defensive players he's built a facade of a team.   Its too thin at WR and OL.   No LBs of note.  And if Barkley goes down too thin behind him. 

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Re: Eagles/Bucs Thread
« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2024, 09:45:44 pm »
With Hurts, you have to remember that he's only had the same offensive coordinator in back to back years once since high school.

And that was in 2022, when he was an @ss hair away from being both the MVP and Superbowl champion.

Kruk, I like Jalen Hurts. Your points about him and all of his different OC's is valid, but.......


I seriously believe if we put Tom Brady on this team, he walks right in here and wins a SB.

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Re: Eagles/Bucs Thread
« Reply #58 on: September 30, 2024, 10:04:17 pm »
The Eagles can have a competitive offense when Brown and Smith return.   If, the OC realizes that he can't have a pass-centric game plan with Hurts as QB.   Hurts just isn't good enough.   Run the offense thru Barkley first and then pass.   Hurts can be a game manager but not more.   We've played 4 games and he's been the second best QB on the field each game. 

That being said the defense is just not good enough.   Roseman blew top draft choices on the GA folks and it hasn't worked out.   They were great playing against kids in college but playing against the men in the NFL, not so good.  Fangio's defense is predicated on a 4 man rush getting pressure.  The Eagles don't have that so its going to be a long season.

The coaching has been poor.   Poor discipline and poor execution.   Poor game planning.   Sirianni looks lost.

And Roseman deserves to be roasted.  Aside from the debacle with the GA defensive players he's built a facade of a team.   Its too thin at WR and OL.   No LBs of note.  And if Barkley goes down too thin behind him.

Despite what I just said to Kruk about Tom Brady.... Jalen did come close to winning a SB. Plenty of QBs and coaches have issues winning a playoff game. You older Philly fans should know a thing or 2 about that, because my late dad used to tell me all about Buddy Ryan, that defense and RC.


You can say stuff about the Georgia players, but Carter is just playing in what his 19th game or so in the NFL? These dudes have had what 4 different coordinators in less time than they have been here.


Fangio and his defense have looked horrible other than 1 game at this point, which is true, but again, they have played 4 games in his system. This also includes a rookie at CB who looks pretty good so far, new players to this team, and no more Fletcher, Reddick and more out there.

So basically, this may take time for this to all develop into a good defense. They showed some promise in a couple of games, and pretty good in the redzone, but terrible in some games no doubt. This doesn't excuse the poor tackling. That has to be fixed.

The WR position does look thin at the moment, but he also committed a ton of money to two of the best WR tandem this team has EVER seen. So, I do think Howie deserves his fair share of criticism, but I think we shouldn't be too critical on the WR position, and I think you are giving up too soon on the GA players.  We all know the issues with Davis, but again he's now had 4 different DC telling him what to do and how they want him to play. Has he been good enough? NOPE, but again give this some more time before you are ripping Howie. Also, Dotson looks like an awful pick up right now, but is our coach putting him in positions to make plays? Is our QB not even looking his way? He didn't look this bad in Washington even with Carson Wentz or Sam Howell throwing him the ball....


I am on record in this very thread suggesting that Hurts gets benched until he realizes again that the RENT has actually NOT been paid, despite his paychecks. There is nothing worse than turnovers to sink a team, and Hurts keeps doing that MORE THAN ANY QB IN THE NFL SINCE 2023!!!

When will the idiot coach that should have been fired last year realize this and make things right with Hurts? Sure, Jalen has had numerous OCs, but that shouldn't excuse him from suddenly forgetting how to protect a football. I mean it almost seems like a near lock, that Jalen will fumble at least once a game. The problems on this team are because of the HC. If he doesn't get this team right after the bye week, he never will. It is way more on Nick than anyone else on that entire team.