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You are a mental case Becky. Just because you prefer men it doesn't mean Eve was a bad wife and mother. Adam wouldn't want your fat ugly self, either. And just because the dems are telling you that you could get pregnant, it isn't true Becky.

Yeah, but the old Jews were extremely Paternalistic.  The orthodox still are.  The original Mesopotamian myth, predating the Old Testament by a good 1000 years,  featured a serpent because its sheds it skin, which they attribute to eternal life.  While a woman’s monthly cycle with the moon, represents the eternal.  Her gift of that knowledge was a blessing to man, who lives in the day to day.  (An old Hindu monk once remarked to Campbell “Serpent bad?  Woman bad?  Funny religion.”)

You must know that the original western translation of Genesis was faced with translating the notion of God creating the world in 7 of a word that designated an unspecified time period.  Eons?  Years?  But days were chosen as being as likely as anything else.  (Personally, I like eons.)

One thing I will say for Adam and Eve.  After she got caught eating the apple from the tree of knowledge, she was cursed with giving childbirth in pain.  In fact, because primates in general, and humans in particular, evolved with larger brains, the resulting larger skull is the reason why women have a tough time with it.  So, symbolically, its a neat fit.  But I would want an obstetrician to get their training from a well written modern medical book, under the tutelage of a physician, not a priest.
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Yeah, but the old Jews were extremely Paternalistic.  The orthodox still are.  The original Mesopotamian myth, predating the Old Testament by a good 1000 years,  featured a serpent because its sheds it skin, which they attribute to eternal life.  While a woman’s monthly cycle with the moon, represents the eternal.  Her gift of that knowledge was a blessing to man, who lives in the day to day.  (An old Hindu monk once remarked to Campbell “Serpent bad?  Woman bad?  Funny religion.”)

You must know that the original western translation of Genesis was faced with translating the notion of God creating the world in 7 of a word that designated an unspecified time period.  Eons?  Years?  But days were chosen as being as likely as anything else.  (Personally, I like eons.)

One thing I will say for Adam and Eve.  After she got caught eating the apple from the tree of knowledge, she was cursed with giving childbirth in pain.  In fact, because primates in general, and humans in particular, evolved with larger brains, the resulting larger skull is the reason why women have a tough time with it.  So, symbolically, its a neat fit.  But I would want an obstetrician to get their training from a well written modern medical book, under the tutelage of a physician, not a priest.

Well, you are all over in your assumptions dude. So, by the knowledge from Bible that I have gained, I will try to straighten you out some. First off, the serpent is a transformed Satan that tricked Eve in the garden of Eden to eating the forbidden fruit. There is nowhere in the Bible or anywhere else for that matter that said that the forbidden fruit was an apple.

The unlearned had claimed that it was an apple but that wouldn't likely be the case. many variety's of apples and no apple has ever opened man's mind to learn the things of God before.

Eve was deceived and disobeyed God because she was told not to eat of that tree. She wanted more even though she had a very good life. Adam also sinned and he did it willingly out of love for Eve. He didn't want to live alone if God was going to kill Eve like he promised or let her die. So, he deliberately ate of that fruit too.


The serpent is also a symbol of doctors and healing's too. Did you know that? Just saying.

Eve was cursed to have painful childbirth. Adam was cursed to having to work for the rest of his days. I find it funny that people blame Eve only but not Adam. If Adam didn't sin, man would never have to work or toil.

The Bible says one day with the Lord is like a 1000 years. That said there is no proof that anyone was with the Lord other than the Holy Trinity when the earth was created. So, the 1000 year thing doesn't come into play.

And there is further proof that you are wrong on the time because the complete genealogy of Jesus is recorded in the Bible. And if God said that He made the world in 6 days, He made the world in 6 days.

If there was a lull in time why didn't the Bible say so? It says so in the Book of Revelation. Sorry dude, but you are second guessing God and calling Him a liar.

Now, I have a question for you. Are you a true believer in God or not?

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. There is nowhere in the Bible or anywhere else for that matter that said that the forbidden fruit was an apple.

Actually, given the most suspected modern location of the Garden of Eden (some polluted, largely abandoned industrial dump in Iraq, which couldn’t be more symbolic of the modern age) many so called experts claim the pomegranate the most likely candidate.

Also, the original word for Joesph’s and Jesus’ profession was closer to a craftsman.  Carpenter was a likely guess, but there were many kinds of artisans back then.  There is one theory that Jesus may have worked in the construction of Caesarea, which would have put Him in contact with all kinds of cultures prevalent in the known world at that time.

As I told you, when the New Testament was cobbled together in the early 5th century, the inclusion of Revelations was bitterly fought over, going in, taken and and finally going back in again.  Whatever.  Its interesting in terms of opening one to all kinds of interpretation over the imagery.  The evening David Koresh sent word that he refused to leave the Branch Davidian compound until he had ascertained the meaning of “the seven seals”, I had been reading the Gospel of Peter from a collection of non-canonized writings in which there is a description of Joseph of Arimathea asking Pilate for the body of Jesus to place in the tomb he had carved for himself.  And in it Pilate was concerned that someone would steal the body and claim resurrection.  Joseph said he would place a seal on the rock that closed the tomb.  Pilate still hesitated and Joseph said he would put seven seals on it.  I don’t know, of course, but it’s possible I had found the source of the reference in Revelations that Koresh claimed he was struggling for before surrendering.  Or not.  My concern with Revelations is that for a couple thousand years all kinds of folks, sincere believers and opportunists, have interpreted the imagery to represent some current event, political crisis, etc. as proof to whatever suited their desired purpose.  As I’ve said, my interpretation is that the imagery describes John’s prediction for the final overthrow of the brutal Roman Empire that ruled the known world.  By the rise of Christian faith.  Which actually happened.  And whose authority remained for 1000 years.  YMMV
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Actually, given the most suspected modern location of the Garden of Eden (some polluted, largely abandoned industrial dump in Iraq, which couldn’t be more symbolic of the modern age) many so called experts claim the pomegranate the most likely candidate.

Also, the original word for Joesph’s and Jesus’ profession was closer to a craftsman.  Carpenter was a likely guess, but there were many kinds of artisans back then.  There is one theory that Jesus may have worked in the construction of Caesarea, which would have put Him in contact with all kinds of cultures prevalent in the known world at that time.

As I told you, when the New Testament was cobbled together in the early 5th century, the inclusion of Revelations was bitterly fought over, going in, taken and and finally going back in again.  Whatever.  Its interesting in terms of opening one to all kinds of interpretation over the imagery.  The evening David Koresh sent word that he refused to leave the Branch Davidian compound until he had ascertained the meaning of “the seven seals”, I had been reading the Gospel of Peter from a collection of non-canonized writings in which there is a description of Joseph of Arimathea asking Pilate for the body of Jesus to place in the tomb he had carved for himself.  And in it Pilate was concerned that someone would steal the body and claim resurrection.  Joseph said he would place a seal on the rock that closed the tomb.  Pilate still hesitated and Joseph said he would put seven seals on it.  I don’t know, of course, but it’s possible I had found the source of the reference in Revelations that Koresh claimed he was struggling for before surrendering.  Or not.  My concern with Revelations is that for a couple thousand years all kinds of folks, sincere believers and opportunists, have interpreted the imagery to represent some current event, political crisis, etc. as proof to whatever suited their desired purpose.  As I’ve said, my interpretation is that the imagery describes John’s prediction for the final overthrow of the brutal Roman Empire that ruled the known world.  By the rise of Christian faith.  Which actually happened.  And whose authority remained for 1000 years.  YMMV


Matthew 13:55
“Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?”

Dude, you are not ever going to convince me to disregard what the Bible says.

And you are wrong about Pilate being concerned about someone stealing the body of Jesus too.

Matthew 27:62-65

62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,

63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.

65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.

And the New Testament was written at different times. Some was written when they were with Jesus by some of His disciples and some like Paul soon afterwards. Luke was written in the second century. But John was at the time of Jesus and James was right after His death. And Revelation was also written by John and he was the only disciple to die a natural death. They tried to boil him in oil but it didn't work. Peter was a disciple too and wrote the Books of Peter.

Sorry dude but you are not telling me very much at all about the Bible. In fact you are telling me things that are not even in it.

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Sorry dude

Such a sorry dude.  Eusebius didn’t think John of Patmos was the same John who wrote the Gospel (based on style and substance), let alone John the Apostle.  If he was the same, he must have been mighty old, considering Domitian reigned ‘til the end of the century.  Guess that strict vegetarian diet did wonders for the original Jewish Presbyters, hanging out in Pella. 
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Such a sorry dude.  Eusebius didn’t think John of Patmos was the same John who wrote the Gospel (based on style and substance), let alone John the Apostle.  If he was the same, he must have been mighty old, considering Domitian reigned ‘til the end of the century.  Guess that strict vegetarian diet did wonders for the original Jewish Presbyters, hanging out in Pella.

John the Revelator is John from Patmos and he is also John the Beloved, all are the same John!

John of Patmos is identical with John the Apostle who is believed to have written both the Gospel of John and epistles of John. He was exiled to the island Patmos in the Aegean archipelago during the reign of Emperor Domitian or Nero, and wrote the Book of Revelation there.
Источник: https://abujacatholicarchdiocese.org/catholics/frequent-question-is-john-the-apostle-the-same-as-john-of-patmos.html

And the Greek writer Eusebius was some 250-350 years AD. John of Patmos wrote the Book of Revelation at Patmos! And was the disciple John the Beloved before Nero sent him to Patmos!

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Nero sent him to Patmos!

Nero was dead before the fall of the Temple.  Josephus writes that his secretary, Epaphroditus was a friend of “Saulus”, and was converted.
Robert Eisenman makes some interesting arguments about discrepancy between Josephus and Roman Church tradition, while adding contemporaneous materials recently translated from the Essenes’ “Dead Sea” Scrolls.  The Faith is strong enough to withstand scholarly research.  Personally, I’m very drawn to material written prior to the Roman conquest.
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Nero was dead before the fall of the Temple.  Josephus writes that his secretary, Epaphroditus was a friend of “Saulus”, and was converted.
Robert Eisenman makes some interesting arguments about discrepancy between Josephus and Roman Church tradition, while adding contemporaneous materials recently translated from the Essenes’ “Dead Sea” Scrolls.  The Faith is strong enough to withstand scholarly research.  Personally, I’m very drawn to material written prior to the Roman conquest.

You do know that the Bible was written long before the discovery of the dead Sea scrolls right? And you know that the dead sea scrolls are virtually word for word of the writings assembled for the Bible right? Fact is there were thousands of historians and writers that spent the biggest portion of their lives recording accurate events and preserving them!

I liked reading from Josephus and he does get some things right. He was born almost 40 years after Jesus died. So, you must understand that he goes by what was told to him. So, with that being said, I will look more favorable to Matthew, Peter, John, Mark, and his brothers James and Jude who knew Jesus and even Paul who met Him on the road to Damascus, years later.

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Thumper getting thumped again.

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Thumper getting thumped again.

If you are referring to me Becky, you'd be as wrong as ever. Rzzzz has no clue about what I know from the Bible. And if he would be honest, he would tell you that he had been schooled and proven wrong some.

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You do know that the Bible was written long before the discovery of the dead Sea scrolls right? And you know that the dead sea scrolls are virtually word for word of the writings assembled for the Bible right? Fact is there were thousands of historians and writers that spent the biggest portion of their lives recording accurate events and preserving them!

I liked reading from Josephus and he does get some things right. He was born almost 40 years after Jesus died. So, you must understand that he goes by what was told to him. So, with that being said, I will look more favorable to Matthew, Peter, John, Mark, and his brothers James and Jude who knew Jesus and even Paul who met Him on the road to Damascus, years later.

Where to start?  The Israeli officials who refused to release the Dead Sea Scrolls for decades, and told researchers they would not come out in their lifetime finally relented after microfiche of them were secreted out and shared in an effort largely initiated by Eisenman.  They were originally dated at 200 BC (Before Christ) and considered to be concerned about the Maccabeans and their slaughter by the original Herod family.  It was only recently where researchers have correlated them with Essene activity from about 50 years BC to some time just beyond the Roman destruction of the Temple.  With scholars now relating commonly described figures as John the Baptist, Jesus, James and Paul (the latter not in a good way.)

Most of the New Testament was written AFTER the destruction of the Temple and the Romans slaughter and dispersal of the Jews from Israel, including Jesus’ original followers.  Tradition holds that some may have gotten to Pella just before.  But their movement was thwarted and finally outlawed by the gentile Christians who followed.  The Gospels and almost all that followed were written by Gentiles, for Gentiles, who carefully avoided blaming the ruling Romans of all their murderous destruction, but lay blame squarely on the Jews.  And so they took their lead from Paul (Saulus) who clearly alerts us in his letters that he is completely at odds with Jesus’ hand picked Apostles.

Paul most clearly reports his disagreement with Peter and Barnabas after they headed to Antioch after the meeting in Jerusalem where  James decided that Paul could proselytize uncircumcised gentiles provided they follow other Jewish law.  Acts leaves out the dietary restrictions that early Church historians had other documents to inform us of.  (Eat nothing that bleeds, that is strangled, that has hoofs.  Mainly just fish and vegetables.)  Paul records his huge fight with Peter over this and how Peter and Barnabas part ways with him.  Acts, instead, has this weird scene of Peter having a dream of meats raining down from the heavens.  Acts/Luke is totally Gentile Paul oriented.  So much so that it later goes out of its way to slander Queen Helen and her sons, who we know from Josephus as spending their fortune to buy grain from Egypt to feed the population during a great famine.  Acts calls her the Queen of Sheba and replaces her sons with a Eunuch.  This in response to Paul’s hostility toward circumcision, while Helen and her sons were converted to a “different” kind of Judaism (ie. Jesus’ assembly, led by James) with her sons agreeing to be circumcised.  Josephus admits to the sons great heroism fighting against the Romans, and losing their lives, in the first phase of the Great War.  Acts instead tells a confused story of Paul sending Phillip down South on the Gaza road, but somehow ending north ins Caesarea to buy the grain, which, again, sucks up to the Romans as somehow saving the people they would soon slaughter.

But I’ll give this to Paul and Acts.  If not for them, you would have no idea that James, the brother of Jesus, was head of a thriving assembly of Jesus followers, nor would you discover that his stoning at the hands of the High Priest Ananus, causing the uprising within the Jewish population, leading to the conflict with Rome that would end up with the slaughter and dispersal of all Jerusalem Jews and the destruction of the Temple.  This happened before the Gospels were written and all other materials, save Paul and James’ letters.  But you get it from Josephus, who was born after Jesus’ death, but was old enough to fight in the War with Rome and manage to make connections when he was captured that allowed his survival long enough to write a history of the war and everything relevant of the Jewish history of the century prior.   Little of which you get from the New Testament. 

I think that a lot of Paul’s preaching is beautiful, but he admits he was at odds with Jesus’ hand picked Apostles.  The one’s who followed Him before He was crucified.  The most precious material we find in the New Testament, outside of James’ letter, are the parables, sayings and the one Sermon that was preserved of Christ.  Just about every scholar agrees that there were early documents of Jesus’ sayings, we call Q, that are lost to us now, outside of the Gospel of Thomas, which was likely altered by Gnostics.  We also have some Jewish followers of Jesus material written after the War, that was rejected by the Gentiles, ie. The Recognitions, etc. 
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.....And if he would be honest, he would tell you that he had been schooled and proven wrong some.

What's the deal with idiots on the internet who need to boast and brag about their supposed 'schooling' and 'running' other posters off these forums?
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What's the deal with idiots on the internet who need to boast and brag about their supposed 'schooling' and 'running' other posters off these forums?

A better question is what's the deal with the dumbest of the dumb here calling others out on things that he is too stupid to discuss? Who is talking about running people off of the forums Becky? We know it is troll school 101 junior high school to try to do just that kind of mission but it won't work on me and others with minds that can freely think!

And it is quite comical that you call anyone a idiot dude when you aren't talking about yourself. You are the dumbest idiot here! You do own that bragging right here!
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Just finished James the Brother of Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls Part I this very afternoon.  What a haul.  Part II is like 750 pages.  Yikes.  I think I’m gonna take a break before I dig into that one.  Though I got to admit, the price on Kindle is very friendly.
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you haven't studied it for > 40 years like rbi has. clearly only he is capable of understanding......