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Phillyterp85

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Re: Sixers vs Pistons
« Reply #60 on: December 01, 2024, 08:46:49 pm »
False.

When it comes to truly contested boards, he's one the best I've ever seen.  9'2 reach + 35-40 inch vert.  And his timing is amazing too.

No, not false.  He’s a very good rebounder.  Not elite.  The data backs this up, as does just watching him play. 

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« Reply #61 on: December 01, 2024, 10:18:44 pm »
No, not false.  He’s a very good rebounder.  Not elite.  The data backs this up, as does just watching him play.

This was something you guys got right back when we had Okafor.

That the modern NBA required fast and agile bigs.

We got one in Reed, who was analytically brilliant when given the chance, and you guys couldn't wait to swap him out with an Okafor clone in Drummond.

Now we got Bona who is also the prototypical modern big, and his analytics have been brilliant in the limited play he's gotten, while RC4 and KJ Martin have looked amazing each and every time they've gotten serious minutes, and fans are still drooling over a 6'4 wing with a busted looking jumper.

20 years on these forums and you guys still impress me in all the wrong ways.
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« Reply #62 on: December 01, 2024, 10:23:18 pm »
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Re: Sixers vs Pistons
« Reply #63 on: December 01, 2024, 11:04:58 pm »
This was something you guys got right back when we had Okafor.

That the modern NBA required fast and agile bigs.

We got one in Reed, who was analytically brilliant when given the chance, and you guys couldn't wait to swap him out with an Okafor clone in Drummond.

Now we got Bona who is also the prototypical modern big, and his analytics have been brilliant in the limited play he's gotten, while RC4 and KJ Martin have looked amazing each and every time they've gotten serious minutes, and fans are still drooling over a 6'4 wing with a busted looking jumper.

20 years on these forums and you guys still impress me in all the wrong ways.

We didn’t swap Reed for Drummond, we swapped Reed for Martin.

Reed is a nice hustle guy. That’s it.  He’s not skilled.  He’s not an elite rebounder.  He’s a nice back of the bench hustle guy, that’s it.

What are you talking about with bona RC4 and KJ?  It’s not the fans keeping them on the bench, it’s your hero Morey’s handpicked coach who you promised us would be suuuuuch a huge improvement over Glenn Rivers.

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Re: Sixers vs Pistons
« Reply #64 on: December 01, 2024, 11:47:28 pm »
This was something you guys got right back when we had Okafor.

That the modern NBA required fast and agile bigs.

We got one in Reed, who was analytically brilliant when given the chance, and you guys couldn't wait to swap him out with an Okafor clone in Drummond.

Now we got Bona who is also the prototypical modern big, and his analytics have been brilliant in the limited play he's gotten, while RC4 and KJ Martin have looked amazing each and every time they've gotten serious minutes, and fans are still drooling over a 6'4 wing with a busted looking jumper.

20 years on these forums and you guys still impress me in all the wrong ways.

i loved Bball but he has obvious liabilities
his shot is broken. he has a tendency to do weird stuff. at $7 m he isnt a bargain any longer
we got outrebounded  and had real difficulty against large back up centers and were at a real disadvantage when reed started
nurse is fixated with yabusele at C but it was stupid to play him against Zubac et al - drummond has not been great but he has held his own

Bona will eventually be able to do all that BBall could do but much cheaper

who is the 6'4" guard with a busted shot? Caleb? he has been easily our best perimiter defensive stopper and done well

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Re: Sixers vs Pistons
« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2024, 09:04:12 am »
who is the 6'4" guard with a busted shot? Caleb? he has been easily our best perimiter defensive stopper and done well

Martin's opponents this year are shooting 49% against him, versus a 46.5% season average.

Could be that he's playing defense on bigger guys, but I haven't honestly seen anything special from him defensively. 

KJ on the other hand is hitting 3s and blocking shots while playing otherwise high IQ basketball.  I'm not a fan of nepobabies, but his father Kenyon raised him right.

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« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2024, 10:53:56 am »
What are you talking about with bona RC4 and KJ?  It’s not the fans keeping them on the bench, it’s your hero Morey’s handpicked coach who you promised us would be suuuuuch a huge improvement over Glenn Rivers.

Caleb was a guy 99% of you guys cheered when we got.

This is like when you guys did back flips over us getting Fultz, only to bash Colangelo for it later.

I've been talking up KJ and RC4 since their first games as Sixers.  They're truly elite athletes, and their analytics are so far amazing.  How long that lasts I can't say, but when you have an elite athlete who is doing analytically great, he better be in your rotation.

Morey's scouting acumen is actually really good, our coaches simply refuse to play the best players he's giving them.  Maybe the answer is to do what Howie did and hire some no name stunod as a puppet head coach.

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« Reply #67 on: December 02, 2024, 11:33:11 am »
Caleb was a guy 99% of you guys cheered when we got.

This is like when you guys did back flips over us getting Fultz, only to bash Colangelo for it later.

I've been talking up KJ and RC4 since their first games as Sixers.  They're truly elite athletes, and their analytics are so far amazing.  How long that lasts I can't say, but when you have an elite athlete who is doing analytically great, he better be in your rotation.

Morey's scouting acumen is actually really good, our coaches simply refuse to play the best players he's giving them.  Maybe the answer is to do what Howie did and hire some no name stunod as a puppet head coach.

Who is this "you guys" you keep referring to?  I did backflips over drafting Fultz? What are you talking about?   Who has been against giving KJ and RC4 more playing time?   Once again, I'll remind you that it's Nick Nurse, who Morey hired, who decides who gets playing time.  The fans don't get to choose.


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Re: Sixers vs Pistons
« Reply #68 on: December 02, 2024, 11:59:48 am »
Once again, I'll remind you that it's Nick Nurse, who Morey hired, who decides who gets playing time.  The fans don't get to choose.

Yes, and Howie hand picked Chip Kelly.

The lesson here is for elite GMs to pick brainless puppets as their head coaches.  Doug had a good sixth sense for when to take gambles during games, but was otherwise kind of stupid.  Nick is Doug but minus said sixth sense.

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Re: Sixers vs Pistons
« Reply #69 on: December 02, 2024, 12:43:02 pm »
Caleb was a guy 99% of you guys cheered when we got.

This is like when you guys did back flips over us getting Fultz, only to bash Colangelo for it later.

I've been talking up KJ and RC4 since their first games as Sixers.  They're truly elite athletes, and their analytics are so far amazing.  How long that lasts I can't say, but when you have an elite athlete who is doing analytically great, he better be in your rotation.

Morey's scouting acumen is actually really good, our coaches simply refuse to play the best players he's giving them.  Maybe the answer is to do what Howie did and hire some no name stunod as a puppet head coach.

what are these great analytics you speak of? rciv has a per of 11.8- not good , box +/- is -3. not good. the last game when he played sig minutes the other night he was a -17. kj also has a per below 15 and a neg box +/-.
i like both of these guys for hustle and energy, but what advanced stats are they "amazing" at?

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Re: Sixers vs Pistons
« Reply #70 on: December 02, 2024, 01:06:16 pm »
what are these great analytics you speak of? rciv has a per of 11.8- not good , box +/- is -3. not good. the last game when he played sig minutes the other night he was a -17. kj also has a per below 15 and a neg box +/-.
i like both of these guys for hustle and energy, but what advanced stats are they "amazing" at?

Council's ON/OFF is +8.6 this season.

KJ's is +10.6.

Given how visibly athletic both guys are, it's insane for Nurse not to have either guy in his regular rotation now.  It's amazing they weren't in our rotation on day 1 given all our injuries.

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Re: Sixers vs Pistons
« Reply #71 on: December 02, 2024, 01:39:26 pm »
Yes, and Howie hand picked Chip Kelly.

The lesson here is for elite GMs to pick brainless puppets as their head coaches.  Doug had a good sixth sense for when to take gambles during games, but was otherwise kind of stupid.  Nick is Doug but minus said sixth sense.

The lesson is to hire a good coach.  Doug turned out to be a flash in the pan.  And while Nick has an overall outstanding record, the way the team collapsed last year was it for me.  And even though we're back to winning again after our 2-2 start, I just can't shake the feeling that he's going to make a terrible decision in a playoff game that will end up costing us. 

And I'm not liking the job Nurse has done.  And really, outside his first season in Toronto, what has he done in the league?