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And it won’t change next year they have bird rights on oubre and grimes but if they use them they won’t sign anyone with mle because they’ll go into tax so it’s either one mle level player and mins or oubre and/or grimes and mins 20 something mill i not a lot to fill out 6 spots 4 mins will take up 9 plus so they’ll have like 15 mil to sign 2 mor players m.


Now as said they could do both and use mle to go into tax but could have this year don’t hold you breath.  What you are going to get is maybe the very late 1st which will be cheap plus one of oubre / grimes / someone on open market up to mle plus 4 mins ( could be guys resigned) that will be fa don’t get your hopes up for anything else

Yeah, that's our problem. Not the PG signing or Embiid's extension.

We are talking Jared McCain here right?  The same guy that many on here flipped out about when they passed Knecht?  We aren't talking SGA or Maxey, kids a nice small guard but not a game changer, and I know, was rookie of the year until he got hurt.  Was that the same year and team that Q Grimes looked like an all-star, asking for a friend.

And if I said you could get Quentin Grimes signed to 4-6m a year for next 2.5 years and restricted rights afterward would you sign up for that even though he doesn’t look like last year of course you would better then adding in Reggie Jackson as your bench. It’s about upside potential and cost control and elite shooting - that is what has value a late 20s pick could hit but has very limited value.

Yea I hate it a late first and 2nds is very little - hope we have a bigger trade coming but can’t see how Houston’s pick does much for adding value.  Sounds like Harris needed more 2nds to dump salary in the future and got to dump McCain this year to get his money

They could flatten the lottery odds more and maybe have more selections that might help the extreme tanking.  If there were 6 picks instead of 4 and the odds difference between 1 and 10th worst team than there isn’t a huge reason to tank if your not a good team. But even when you tweak stuff like that there are other consequences.  More fringe playoff teams could tank to get in lottery, it would be harder for really bad teams to get better all these trade already occurred  with current protections those picks would have completely different values which isn’t really fair -  it gets complicated quick

He really needs time to get back playing and get healthier -  I don’t know if it’s about getting healthier or trusting the knee more.  Even with that the bigger problem is he doesn’t have a great place in this lineup -  with all that said you don’t give up on a guy who showed what he did with 2.5 yrs left on a rookie contract that is cheap unless it heavily improves your team and that trade might not be out there.

The only one I see that could make sense on both sides is Tari Eason for McCain because Houston might not want to pay him it works well straight up cap wise and Houston needs guards but do we want to pay him too with the injury risks.  I think it just needs to play out and he needs time to find his way which could be difficult on a team trying to win.

I was playing around with ideas in my head for pelicans (because they will probably make trades) weeks ago - the only thing I can come up with that makes sense is a 3 team trade where pg goes to another team that could want him.  Where my mind went was Atlanta because they supposedly wanted PG last year and seem to want to move off expiring porzingus so where my head went was porzingus risacher and kennard for pg and maybe some draft comp then moving risacher and kennard to NOP (a young guy and expiring) to NOP for Trey Murphy. Probably need small cap filler like Drummond in deal too but would work the problem would be how much draft comp would NOP want and would Atlanta rather go after someone like Giannis who is available. I mean we could put up the LAC pick but you know NOP would want try to get there pick back I thought maybe we give clip pick to Atlanta and they give NOP their pick back but if they are giving that up wouldn’t they want Giannis or Trey instead of Pg even if they still get high level pick back.

To make it work you’d have to give up a lot and probably be 3 team trade and I like Trey Murphy but right now on the court I don’t know if he gives you much more than pg when he actually plays  - pg is frustrating as heck but is still a good 2 way player - his defense is still very good and he can still shoot the ball he just never seems to want to play or be here.  But if you could end up with an expiring porzingus and Trey Murphy you could save plenty of cap next year to resign grimes and add a full mle while having a young core locked up for a long time I just think cost might be too much.

A part of me wonders if a similar trade like this for Embiid could be out there b it very unlikely - with our guards you’d have  Trey Murphy and Paul George both good shooters who can do a little of everything but you’d have a hole at center I guess porzingus could fill that even though he plays as much as Embiid -  it feels like a trade could be there just hard to get to something that actually works

There are only a couple teams out there where you might have a small chance of getting out of PG neutral or with some small value -  it’s not the Jazz with Lauri who are back on the Lauri should net a massive package train starting out well averaging 28. With that said for anything to happen you would need PG on the court probably for at least a month and looking really good to have a chance

These are the teams I could see justify trading something for PG.

Hawks -  there was interest last year at the deadline from Hawks reportedly,  I could see something like porzingus and rissacher and a pick for PG being something they could.  Porzingus is expiring and I really don’t like Rissacher on is inflated rookie contract but maybe he could be flipped with the pick and something else for a piece we want.  The real get here would be if you could pry away the pelicans pick and trade that back to NOP for Trey Murphy so they could tank but you’d have to probably give clippers pick back to hawks in that case. Hawks also might trade Trae young and if they get something back probably more unlikely.

Lakers - could they go for a last run with LeBron -  you could get mostly expirings - kleber, Vincent, hachimura with Vanderbilt and knecht would get them there with room to sign free agents we can through Broome in for a cheap salary (they are hardcapped) and maybe pry 1st at best case which would be 2031 or 2032-  they would have a starting lineup of doncic reeves pg LeBron ayton which is pretty good if healthy.  We could flip expirings and hopefully Vanderbilt for something better

Long shot but GSW -  they wanted PG before but cap wise it’s much harder to work now - it would have to be like draymond and kuminga and moody or hield .  I don’t think I’d want those pieces tbh and don’t know if they’d trade draymond but everyone is old so pg fits their last shot for Steph timeline.

Besides that I don’t see a scenario where someone would take pg for neutral or positive value - sure places will take him as a dump like Utah and Nets with the hope to also rebuild value and get value later but that only makes any sense if we have the perfect pieces coming back otherwise the flexibility if things go wrong to tank in 28 if needed to keep top 8 protected pick (that turns into 2nds) and have a top 5 pick and another probable top 10 pick (lac) before paying Vj/mccain and with having pg come off books.